Legislature(2007 - 2008)SENATE FINANCE 532

03/03/2008 09:00 AM Senate FINANCE


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* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+= SB 229 TANANA VALLEY FOREST/MINTO FLATS REFUGE TELECONFERENCED
Moved SB 229 Out of Committee
+= SB 256 SUPPLEMENTAL/CAPITAL APPROPRIATIONS TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSSB 256(FIN) Out of Committee
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
                  SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                      
                       March 3, 2008                                                                                            
                         9:17 a.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman called the Senate Finance Committee meeting                                                                    
to order at 9:17:34 AM.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Lyman Hoffman, Co-Chair                                                                                                 
Senator Bert Stedman, Co-Chair                                                                                                  
Senator Charlie Huggins, Vice-Chair                                                                                             
Senator Kim Elton                                                                                                               
Senator Donny Olson                                                                                                             
Senator Joe Thomas                                                                                                              
Senator Fred Dyson                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
None                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Grier Hopkins, Staff, Senator Thomas                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
PRESENT VIA TELECONFERENCE                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Chris  Maisch,  Director  and  State  Forester,  Division  of                                                                   
Forestry;   Martha   Freeman,  Forestry   Resources   Program                                                                   
Manager, Department of Forestry;  Jerry McCutcheon, Anchorage                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SB 229    "An Act relating to the Tanana Valley State Forest                                                                    
          and  to assignment  of certain  forest land  to the                                                                   
          Minto  Flats State Game  Refuge; and providing  for                                                                   
          an effective date."                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
          SB  229  was REPORTED  from  Committee  with a  "do                                                                   
          pass"   recommendation  and  previously   published                                                                   
          fiscal  notes   from  the  Department   of  Natural                                                                   
          Resources and the Department of Administration.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SB 256    "An Act making supplemental appropriations,                                                                           
          capital   appropriations,   reappropriations,   and                                                                   
          other     appropriations;      amending     certain                                                                   
          appropriations;  ratifying   certain  expenditures;                                                                   
          making  appropriations  to  capitalize  funds;  and                                                                   
          providing for an effective date."                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
          CSSC 256  (FIN) was REPORTED out of  Committee with                                                                   
          the accompanying fiscal note.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
9:17:44 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 229                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act relating  to the Tanana Valley  State Forest and                                                                   
     to assignment of certain  forest land to the Minto Flats                                                                   
     State  Game  Refuge;  and  providing  for  an  effective                                                                   
     date."                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman related that the purpose today was to hear                                                                     
the bill and allow public testimony.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:18:53 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR JOE THOMAS, SPONSOR, read the sponsor statement.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Senate  Bill 229  amends  the boundaries  of the  Tanana                                                                   
     Valley State  Forest (TVSF)  to correct errors  in legal                                                                   
     descriptions,  reflect  updated   land  status,  and  to                                                                   
     better match the management  intent for the Forest. This                                                                   
     is done  by adding and  deleting boundary  references to                                                                   
     the legal descriptions in  statute. These changes result                                                                   
     in a net  increase to the state forest  of approximately                                                                   
     40,000  acres. SB  229  also moves  approximately  4,300                                                                   
     acres  from the state  forest to  the Minto Flats  State                                                                   
     Game Refuge.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     In 1983,  the Legislature created the  1.8 million-acre4                                                                   
     Tanana Valley  State forest  that stretches  from Manley                                                                   
     to   Tok.  The  forest   is  open   to  mining,   gravel                                                                   
     extraction,  oil  and  gas  leasing,  and  grazing.  The                                                                   
     Department  of  Natural   Resources  manages  the  state                                                                   
     forests for  a sustained yield of these  resources, with                                                                   
     the   primary   purpose   of   timber   management   (AS                                                                   
     41.17.200).  The Bonanza  Creek  Experimental Forest,  a                                                                   
     12.400-acre  area dedicate3d  to  forestry research,  is                                                                   
     also located within the state forest.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     State forests  provide fish and wildlife  habitat, clean                                                                   
     water,  opportunities for  recreation  and tourism,  and                                                                   
     minerals.  In  addition   to  the  management  of  these                                                                   
     resources,  the Tanana Valley  State Forest  offers many                                                                   
     recreational opportunities  including hungt6in, fishing,                                                                   
     trapping,  camping, hiking,  dog mushing,  cross-country                                                                   
     skiing, wildlife viewing,  snow machining, gold panning,                                                                   
     boating and berry-picking.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     In 1996,  the division updated  the Tanana  Valley State                                                                   
     Forest  Management  Plan  and  established  a  citizens'                                                                   
     advisory  committee.  The 12-member  citizen's  advisory                                                                   
     committee,  representing   a  variety  of  state  forest                                                                   
     users, actively  participates in forest planning  in the                                                                   
     Tanana   Basin.    This   entity   has    endorsed   the                                                                   
     recommendations  on  management of  the  forest and  has                                                                   
     carefully crafted the changes  in a manner that resulted                                                                   
    in support from all affected land users and owners.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     SB  229   is  supported  by  the  Alaska   State  forest                                                                   
     Association,   the   Fairbanks    Economic   Development                                                                   
     Corporation,  hunting and recreation  groups as  well as                                                                   
     all surrounding land owners.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Please  join  me in  amending  the Tanana  Valley  State                                                                   
     Forest  to better  align  with its  original intent  and                                                                   
     support the passage of Senate Bill 229.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:21:28 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  requested an  explanation of the  map (copy                                                                   
on file).                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:21:46 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Thomas  related that the  Division of  Forestry would                                                                   
be better able to provide the map explanation.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:22:13 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Dyson noted  that Fiscal  Note  #1 reflects  100,000                                                                   
acres  being  added  and  approximately  66,000  acres  being                                                                   
deleted. He was curious as to  what is being deleted and why.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:22:50 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Thomas mentioned that  the Division of Forestry would                                                                   
be better at explaining the deletions and additions.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:23:20 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
GRIER  HOPKINS,  STAFF,  SENATOR  THOMAS,  offered  that  two                                                                   
representatives  from the  Division of  Forestry were  online                                                                   
and ready to speak on the subject.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:24:16 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHRIS  MAISCH,  DIRECTOR  AND  STATE  FORESTER,  DIVISION  OF                                                                   
FORESTRY  (Testified  via teleconference),  referred  to  the                                                                   
enclosed map  (copy on  file). He pointed  out, in  the upper                                                                   
left side  of the  map at  the Minto  Wildlife Refuge,  three                                                                   
parcels  in orange  as  proposed  deletions from  the  Tanana                                                                   
State  Forest  to  be transferred  into  the  Minto  Wildlife                                                                   
Refuge.  He  explained  that  as  wetlands  they  are  better                                                                   
managed  by the  wildlife refuge.  He indicated  that in  the                                                                   
extreme left  (orange half-circle) there  is an oxbow  of the                                                                   
Tolovana  River  which  has good  quality  timber  but  being                                                                   
isolated from the rest of the  state forest, it better suited                                                                   
to be  put in  the refuge. On  the extreme  east side  of the                                                                   
refuge  there  a light  green-colored  parcel  is a  proposed                                                                   
addition into the Tanana State  Forest. The Dunbar Trail goes                                                                   
through  this area and  continues into  the Refuge  requiring                                                                   
some access management coordination.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:26:47 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Maisch  indicated a yellow  portion, 4B, will  be removed                                                                   
from  the Tanana  State  Forest.  It is  mostly  recreational                                                                   
making it difficult  to manage for commercial  forestry uses.                                                                   
Mr. Maisch described in the middle  of the map, the Big Delta                                                                   
area, there are light green parcels.  These parcels, south of                                                                   
7A and  7B and north  of Fort Greely  will be additions  into                                                                   
the Tanana  State Forest. Mr.  Maisch indicated that  a small                                                                   
parcel  on  the  Good  Pasture  River  drainage,  part  of  a                                                                   
research natural area will also  be added to the Tanana State                                                                   
Forest.  Near Dot  Lake (between  10D  and 12B)  a number  of                                                                   
parcels scattered around the area  are intermixed with native                                                                   
corporation lands  and the Tanana  State Forest.  This change                                                                   
will clean  up the boundaries  and make them  more consistent                                                                   
with the ownership in the area.   Mr. Maisch pointed out that                                                                   
in the regions close to Tok, near  13A and 13B, in the Tanana                                                                   
State  Forest  just  north  of  the  Tanana  River,  are  all                                                                   
productive  forest lands.  Mr. Maisch  indicated that  to the                                                                   
north  of  these  regions,  in yellow,  12A,  13A,  13B,  are                                                                   
proposed deletions to the Tanana  State Forest. These parcels                                                                   
are more  appropriately  managed as general  use state  lands                                                                   
since they do not have any large  concentration of productive                                                                   
forests. Mr.  Maisch continued  that north of  these regions,                                                                   
in yellow (12A) and light green  the land would be transposed                                                                   
to  correct  an  earlier legal  drafting  error.  Mr.  Maisch                                                                   
concluded  by  saying one  of  the  reasons the  Division  of                                                                   
Forestry  would like  to see  the state  forest additions  is                                                                   
they  have  been  working  with   alternative  energy  plans,                                                                   
particularly  bio-energy  and wood  fuel.  He mentioned  that                                                                   
projects in Tok,  Delta, and several smaller  villages in the                                                                   
area are  looking at  wood boiler  systems for space  heating                                                                   
needs in village  and community schools. Mr.  Maisch stressed                                                                   
that having a  near-by working forest to  provide sustainable                                                                   
wood to those communities is very important.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:31:34 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman  questioned if  there was anyone  who wished                                                                   
to speak  to the bill. Mr.  Hopkins indicated that  there had                                                                   
been no objection from any of  the surrounding communities in                                                                   
regard  to  the  changes  in   this  bill.  Co-Chair  Stedman                                                                   
inquired as  to the  public process  used in determining  the                                                                   
additions  and   deletions.  Mr.  Hopkins  referred   to  the                                                                   
Division of Forestry online.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:32:47 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MARTHA   FREEMAN,   FORESTRY   RESOURCES   PROGRAM   MANAGER,                                                                   
DEPARTMENT  OF   FORESTRY  (Testified  via   teleconference),                                                                   
explained the public process by  stating that the main review                                                                   
for  this  project  began when  updating  the  Tanana  Valley                                                                   
Forestry Management  Plan, which  culminated in an  update in                                                                   
2001.  As  part  of the  preparation  for  that  update,  the                                                                   
package of  proposed additions  and deletions  went out  as a                                                                   
public  draft.  The participants  in  discussion  included  a                                                                   
citizens' advisory committee,  an inter-agency planning team,                                                                   
and public  meetings throughout  the Tanana Valley  area. Ms.                                                                   
Freeman noted that when public  comments were received, there                                                                   
had  been  a   few  parcels  that  generated   objections  or                                                                   
controversy, so  these parcels  were deleted from  this plan.                                                                   
She informed  the committee that  the final package  for this                                                                   
bill had no  objections remaining after this  public process.                                                                   
Ms.  Maisch informed  the  committee that  as  some time  had                                                                   
passed  since  the original  public  feedback,  the  division                                                                   
questioned  special interest  groups and  landowners to  make                                                                   
sure there were  no new problem since the  original meetings.                                                                   
The  division also  checked  on the  present  land status  to                                                                   
locate any  possible land changes.  When changes  were found,                                                                   
some  parcels   were  deleted,   primarily  concerning   land                                                                   
transferred to the University.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:35:08 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson wondered if there  had been any objections from                                                                   
the  native corporations.  Ms.  Freeman  responded there  had                                                                   
been  no  objection  from  the   native  communities  on  the                                                                   
reorganization.  She  mentioned  one concern  of  the  native                                                                   
communities  was access areas  in the  Minto region,  but the                                                                   
reorganization does not change the access to these lands.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:35:52 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JERRY MCCUTCHEON, ANCHORAGE, (Testified  via teleconference),                                                                   
questioned if this plan followed  the best use of Mat-Su area                                                                   
in taking down  all the timber. He recommended  that the land                                                                   
remain intact and not be logged.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:38:35 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman pointed out for  the record the pulp mill in                                                                   
Sitka did  not ship  round logs to  Japan. He explained  that                                                                   
round logs are shipped off of  private land, including native                                                                   
land, and the Mental Health Trust lands.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
9:39:26 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Thomas  MOVED to  REPORT SB  229 from Committee  with                                                                   
individual  recommendations   and  the  accompanying   fiscal                                                                   
notes. There being NO OBJECTION, it was so ordered.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SB  229  was  REPORTED  from   Committee  with  a  "do  pass"                                                                   
recommendation  and previously  published  fiscal notes  from                                                                   
the Department  of Natural  Resources  and the Department  of                                                                   
Administration.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
AT EASE:       9:40:30 AM                                                                                                     
RECONVENED:    10:49:24 AM                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 256                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     "An  Act  making  supplemental  appropriations,  capital                                                                   
     appropriations,     reappropriations,      and     other                                                                   
     appropriations;    amending   certain    appropriations;                                                                   
     ratifying  certain expenditures;  making  appropriations                                                                   
     to  capitalize funds;  and  providing  for an  effective                                                                   
     date."                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Hoffman reconvened  the  meeting back  to order  to                                                                   
address the CS 256/O before the committee.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
TIM GRUSSENDORF,  STAFF, SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE,  presented                                                                   
an overview  of changes to  the FY 08 Supplemental  requests.                                                                   
He indicated that the first four  changes came at the request                                                                   
of the Governor.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Section 1-3    AA GGU Labor and Workforce Development                                                                           
               Occupational Safety and Health                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
                Reverse the   fund  source  change  for  this                                                                   
               component in the  GGU supplemental, sections 1                                                                   
               -3.  Current  projections  indicate  that  the                                                                   
               program  will be able  to absorb  the increase                                                                   
               without   the  fund   source  change   due  to                                                                   
               unexpected vacancies.                                                                                            
                                                   $0.0                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Section 1-3    AA GGU Transportation Central                                                                                    
               Region Highways and Aviation                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
                Reverse the   fund  source  change  for  this                                                                   
               component in the  GGU supplemental, sections 1                                                                   
               - 3. Current revenue  projections for FY08 are                                                                   
               sufficient to fund $300 in this allocation.                                                                      
                                                   $0.0                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Section 1-3    AA GGU Transportation Northern                                                                                   
               Region Highways and Aviation                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
                Reverse the fund source change for this                                                                         
               component in the  GGU supplemental, sections 1                                                                   
               - 3. This fund  source conversion is no longer                                                                   
               needed in FY08 due to position vacancies.                                                                        
                                                   $0.0                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Grussendorf reported  that  the above  three can  absorb                                                                   
these  increases,  without the  fund  source  change, due  to                                                                   
unexpected vacancies.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Section 1-3    AA Statewide SU Supervisory Unit                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
                The  tentative  Supervisory   Unit  agreement                                                                   
               calls  for  a  wage  increase of  5.5%  and  a                                                                   
               health  insurance  increase of  $16 from  $835                                                                   
               per month to $851 per month.                                                                                     
                                                   $10,441.0                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Grussendorf  explained that  $6.3 million has  been added                                                                   
in and is  expected to be  ratified on March 12,  2008. There                                                                   
is language  in Section 1 that  says if the agreement  is not                                                                   
ratified on March 12, this funding will not be there.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Section        Commerce   Revenue Sharing                                                                                       
New 2/29                                                                                                                        
               $180 million for revenue sharing                                                                                 
                                                   $180,000.0                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Grussendorf noted that there  has been an addition of $30                                                                   
million, from $150 million to $180 million.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Section        Fund Capitalization                                                                                              
New 2/29       Statutory Budget Reserve                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
               Appropriate $1  billion of the FY08 surplus to                                                                   
               the Statutory Budget Reserve                                                                                     
                                                $1,000,000.0                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Section        Fund Capitalization                                                                                              
New 2/29       Constitutional Budget Reserve                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
               Appropriate  $2.6 billion of the  FY08 surplus                                                                   
               to the CBR                                                                                                       
                                                $2,6000,000.0                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Section        Fund Capitalization                                                                                              
New 3/2        CBR Intent Language                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
               It is the intent of the legislature that the                                                                     
               Department  of  Revenue invest  the assets  of                                                                   
               the  constitutional budget reserve  fund (art.                                                                   
               IX,  sec.  17, Constitution  of  the State  of                                                                   
               Alaska), in a manner  maximizing the long term                                                                   
               earnings   of  the  fund  while   meeting  the                                                                   
               minimum liquidity requirements of the state.                                                                     
                                                   $0.0                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Section        Fund Capitalization                                                                                              
New 3/2        CBR Intent Language                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
               Add CBR Intent language clarifying that the                                                                      
               CBR deposit is a repayment to the CBR.                                                                           
                                                   $0.0                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Grussendorf  commented that the two  Fund Capitalizations                                                                   
added  CBR  intent  language  that made  it  clear  that  the                                                                   
legislature  wanted  to  invest   this  money  and  it  is  a                                                                   
repayment  to the CBR  by the  Legislature, repaying  half of                                                                   
the states debt.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Section 14(b) Health and Social Services                                                                                        
               Front Line Social Workers                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
               Unanticipated one-time telephone purchase and                                                                    
               installation costs related to new Anchorage                                                                      
               lease. Move is planned for early March, 2008.                                                                    
                                                   $320.6                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Section 7-9    Health and Social Services                                                                                       
               Behavioral Health Medicaid Services                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
               Projected excess authorization based on                                                                          
               expenditures through January 2008.                                                                               
                                                   ($6,963.1)                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Section 7-9    Health and Social Services                                                                                       
               Medicaid Services                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
               Projected excess authorization based on                                                                          
               expenditures through January 2008.                                                                               
                                                 ($46,548.5)                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Section 7-9    Health and Social Services                                                                                       
               Adult Public Assistance                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
               Projected   excess    authorization   due   to                                                                   
               decrease in average payments since recipients                                                                    
               have higher incomes.                                                                                             
                                                    ($700.0)                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Section 7-9    Health and Social Services      Senior     and                                                                   
               Disabilities Medicaid Services                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
               Projected excess authorization based on                                                                          
               expenditures through January 2008.                                                                               
                                                   ($1,654.4)                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Grussendorf  noted  that the Health  and Social  Services                                                                   
reductions  made  by  the  Governor   were  projected  excess                                                                   
authorization  based on  expenditures  through January  2008.                                                                   
The legislature agreed to take on these reductions.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Section 7-9    Law                                                                                                              
               Oil, Gas and Mining                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
               This    amendment    reduces   the    original                                                                   
               supplemental  request for  from $1,750,000  to                                                                   
               $1,250,000.   The    Department   of   Natural                                                                   
               Resources  contract for financial  analysis of                                                                   
               the  TransCanada  proposal came  in less  than                                                                   
               anticipated, at  $2.5 million rather than $3.0                                                                   
               million.                                                                                                         
                                                   ($500.0)                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Grussendorf indicated that the Department of Law and the                                                                    
Governor submitted this reduction of $500,000 and the                                                                           
Legislature agreed to make the deduction                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Section 7-9    Public Safety                                                                                                    
Modified       AST Detachments                                                                                                  
               Increased trooper  move costs $425.0, dispatch                                                                   
               contracts  with  Kodiak and  Wasilla  (MatCom)                                                                   
               $420.3, lease costs  $60.6, fuel/utility costs                                                                   
               $236.2,  vehicle costs $610.9,  and facilities                                                                   
               maintenance costs  $25.5. FY09 increments are:                                                                   
               trooper  move   travel  $425.0;  lease  $60.6;                                                                   
               fuel/utility   $164.9;  and  vehicle   $113.9.                                                                   
               Removed lease and  maintenance costs increases                                                                   
               from supplemental  request--Total reduction is                                                                   
               $86.1.                                                                                                           
                                                   $1,692.4                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Section 7-9    Public Safety                                                                                                    
Modified       Alaska Wildlife Troopers                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
               Increased  fuel/utility $70.8,  vehicle $288.6                                                                   
               and facilities  maintenance $17.1 costs.  FY09                                                                   
               increments  are:  fuel/utility $38.6;  vehicle                                                                   
               $145.3.                                                                                                          
               Removed    facilities     maintenance    costs                                                                   
               increases  from   supplemental  request--Total                                                                   
               reduction is $17.1.                                                                                            
                                                     $359.4                                                                   
10:56:03 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Section 7-9    Public Safety                                                                                                    
Modified       AK Wildlife Troopers Aircraft Enforcement                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
               Increased fuel/utility $95.2 and lease $80.2.                                                                    
               FY09  increments are: fuel/utility  $151.1 and                                                                   
               lease,$80.2.                                                                                                     
               Removed    lease    costs    increases    from                                                                   
               supplemental   request--Total   reduction   is                                                                   
               $80.2                                                                                                          
                                                   $95.2                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Section 7-9    Public Safety                                                                                                    
               AK Wildlife Troopers Marine Enforcement                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
               Increased fuel/utility costs.  FY09 increment                                                                    
               is $66.0.                                                                                                        
                                                   $41.6                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Section 7-9    Public Safety                                                                                                    
               Training Academy                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
               Increased fuel/utility $5.2 and vehicle $11.6                                                                    
               costs.  FY09 increment  for fuel/utility costs                                                                   
               is $8.2.                                                                                                         
                                                   $16.8                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Section 7-9    Public Safety                                                                                                    
               Administrative Services                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
               Increased fuel/utility $2.6, lease $9.2, and                                                                     
               vehicle $2.2 costs. FY09 increment is $9.2                                                                       
               for office lease costs.                                                                                          
               Removed lease costs increases from                                                                               
               supplemental request--Total  reduction is $9.2                                                                   
                                                   $4.8                                                                       
                                                                                                                              
Section 7-9    Public Safety                                                                                                    
               Laboratory Services                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
               Increased fuel/utility $15.5 and vehicle $8.9                                                                    
               costs.   FY09  increments  are:   fuel/utility                                                                   
               $21.0 and vehicle $4.3.                                                                                          
                                                   $24.4                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Section 7-9    Public Safety                                                                                                    
               Fire Service Training                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
               Increased  fuel/utility $8.3 and  vehicle $9.4                                                                   
               costs.   FY09 fuel/utility  cost increment  is                                                                   
               $9.6.                                                                                                            
                                                   $17.7                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
 Section 7-9   Public Safety                                                                                                    
               Fire Prevention Operations                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
               RSS shortfall from  building plan review fees.                                                                   
               Division  would  like  to  make  this  into  a                                                                   
               straight  GF  operation  since  revenues  vary                                                                   
               drastically.  Included in  the FY09  budget at                                                                   
               the same level  of $220.0 Additional travel of                                                                   
               $50.0  for  building life  safety  inspections                                                                   
               and   to   provide    inspections   in   rural                                                                   
               locations.   Funded   in   FY09   at   $105.0.                                                                   
               Increased  fuel/utility $8.3 and  vehicle $4.8                                                                   
               costs.  FY09  fuel/utility cost  increment  is                                                                   
               $4.5.                                                                                                            
               Removed  funding replacing RSS  shortfall from                                                                   
               building plan review  fees--Total reduction is                                                                   
               $268.2                                                                                                         
                                                   $13.1                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
 Section 7-9   Public Safety                                                                                                    
               Rural Trooper Housing                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
               Rural   housing   costs  of   $244.2  due   to                                                                   
               unrealized SDPR  including leases without rent                                                                   
               contribution   at  Selawik   and  for   Bethel                                                                   
               commons.  Increased fuel and utility  costs of                                                                   
               $92.7.  FY09  fuel/utility cost  increment  is                                                                   
               $147.1.                                                                                                          
                                                   $92.7                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
 Section 7-9   Public Safety                                                                                                    
               Alcoholic Beverage Control Board                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
               Increased  vehicle  costs. FY09  increment  is                                                                   
               $1.9.                                                                                                            
                                                   $4.3                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Grussendorf   commented  that   in  the  Public   Safety                                                                   
Department, the  supplementals were  modified to  increase in                                                                   
fuel/utility  increment  amounts,   but  removed  many  other                                                                   
funding requests.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
 Section 7-9   Public Safety                                                                                                    
               Judicial Services - Anchorage                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
               Amendment   reduces  amount  of   supplemental                                                                   
               request from $620.3  to $477.6 since the Court                                                                   
               Service  Officer  positions  won't  be  filled                                                                   
               until March.                                                                                                     
                                                   ($142.7)                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Grussendorf indicated that the General Fund was reduced                                                                     
by the request of the Governor.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Section 15(j) Transportation                                                                                                    
               Surface Transportation Program                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
               Correct  the total  for  Sec. 1,  Ch. 61,  SLA                                                                   
               2001,  Page 35, line  19 from $485,506,000  to                                                                   
               $485,506,482    based   on   the    allocation                                                                   
              requested in HB343, Sec. 15(k).                                                                                   
                                                   $0.5                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Grussendorf explained the change was due to a technical                                                                     
error, based on the allocation in HB343.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
10:59:26 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Section        Transportation                                                                                                   
New 3/3        Capital                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
               Restored Vetoed Capital Projects                                                                                 
                                                   $1,471.6                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Grussendorf  explained that the legislature  was removing                                                                   
the $50 million place-holder and  inserted the vetoed capital                                                                   
projects for $51, 479,000. The projects are in the new CS.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Section        Transportation                                                                                                   
               Airport Improvement Program - Appropriation                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
               The    FY08   Airport   Improvement    Program                                                                   
               appropriation  increases  by  $4,350.0 due  to                                                                   
               the  allocation change  below: Sec  4, Ch  30,                                                                   
               SLA 2007, Pg 105, Ln 27                                                                                          
                                                   $0.0                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Section        Transportation                                                                                                   
               Airport Improvement Program - Allocation                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
               New: Petersburg: Airport Runway Safety Area                                                                      
               The  project is expected  to be advertised  in                                                                   
               April.   The project will involve  runway work                                                                   
               that will  result in the airport  being closed                                                                   
               for a  few weeks and the timing  for this work                                                                   
               is  critical  to minimize  the  impact of  the                                                                   
               construction closure  on the community and the                                                                   
               airlines.     Funding  this  project   in  the                                                                   
               supplemental  will  enable the  department  to                                                                   
               move  forward as  soon as Airport  Improvement                                                                   
               Program discretionary funds are available.                                                                       
                                                   $0.0                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Grussendorf commented  that  the Governor  requested  to                                                                   
have this in the fast track due  to timing for the Petersburg                                                                   
airport runway and safety areas.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  MOVED  to ADOPT  Committee  Substitute  SC                                                                   
256(FIN)\O as the working document before this committee.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
There  being NO  OBJECTION, work  draft  CSSB 256(FIN)\O  was                                                                   
adopted.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
AT EASE: 11:00:36 AM                                                                                                          
RECONVENED: 11:01:23 AM                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman MOVED to ADOPT Amendment #1:                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Page 77, lines 8-12:                                                                                                       
          Delete all material                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Page 77, line 13:                                                                                                          
          Re-letter subsection "(c)", subsection "(b)"                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Page 77, following line 24:                                                                                                
          Insert a new bill section to read:                                                                                    
          "*Sec.  18.  DEPARTMENT   OF  REVENUE.  The  amount                                                                   
          necessary  to  pay the  first  five  ports of  call                                                                   
          their   share  of  the   tax  collected   under  AS                                                                   
          43.52.220    during   calendar    year   2007    is                                                                   
          appropriated  from the commercial  vessel passenger                                                                   
          tax account (AS 43.52.230(a))  to the Department of                                                                   
          Revenue  for payments  under the  provisions as  AS                                                                   
          43.52.230(b),  during the  fiscal year ending  June                                                                   
          30, 2008."                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman OBJECTED for discussion purposes.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Stedman explained that  Amendment #1 was a technical                                                                   
change due to  the fact that the Commercial  Vessel Passenger                                                                   
Tax  account is  not under  the  Department of  Environmental                                                                   
Conservation but  collected by the Department  of Revenue. He                                                                   
continued  that the  Port of Call  payments  are made by  the                                                                   
Department  of Revenue  not the  Department of  Environmental                                                                   
Conservation.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman WITHDREW his OBJECTION.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson  asked for  the names of  five ports  listed on                                                                   
page 77, Section 16, line 8.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  listed  the ports  as  Ketchikan,  Juneau,                                                                   
Skagway, Sitka and other major ports.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
There being no further OBJECTION Amendment #1 was ADOPTED.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
11:03:20 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Thomas explained  the changes  to Amendment  #2. The                                                                   
amendment changes  page 83, line  3, removing $5  million and                                                                   
inserting $25 million. This would  even-up the situation with                                                                   
the hatcheries, making an opportunity for a long-term fix.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman MOVED to ADOPT Amendment #2:                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Page 83m Line 3                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Delete $5,000,000                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Insert: $25,000,000                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
There being NO OBJECTION, it was so ordered.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dyson MOVED to ADOPT Amendment #3:                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Delete Line 28, Page 56 through Line 2, Page 57.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman OBJECTED for discussion purposes.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dyson believed  that Line 28 on page  56 through Line                                                                   
2 on  Page 57  be deleted as  it is  more appropriate  in the                                                                   
capital budget but not the supplemental budget.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman MAINTAINED his OBJECTION.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman believed that  the $300 million will address                                                                   
about eighty percent of the homes  in the State of Alaska. He                                                                   
anticipated  that  it  will  cover  approximately  forty-five                                                                   
thousand homes  eligible for this  program. He  stressed that                                                                   
it  did  not  make  sense to  have  the  amount  of  savings,                                                                   
estimated at $2.6  billion, and not address  the energy needs                                                                   
of Alaskans.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman  remarked  that   there  is  actually  $3.6                                                                   
billion  available along  with  another possible  $1.5 to  $2                                                                   
billion in revenue to be collected  between January and June,                                                                   
2008, due  to the price of oil.  He agreed that if  there was                                                                   
this  substantial  amount  to   be  put  into  savings,  then                                                                   
aggressive steps should be taken  to lower the energy demands                                                                   
throughout the  state. Senator  Dyson believed that  although                                                                   
he agreed  with the idea  of supplementing the  energy needs,                                                                   
he  thought it  would be  inappropriate  to put  it into  the                                                                   
supplemental budget.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
A roll call vote was taken on the motion.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
IN FAVOR: Dyson                                                                                                                 
OPPOSED: Elton, Huggins, Olson, Thomas, Hoffman, Stedman                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
The MOTION FAILED (1-6).                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dyson MOVED to ADOPT Amendment #4.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Page 51                                                                                                                    
     Delete Lines 7 through 11.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Page 52                                                                                                                    
     Delete Lines 15 through 17                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Page 52, Amend Line 21 as follows:                                                                                         
     *****Total Budget*****         $1,096,330 [$51,096,330]                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Page 53, Amend Lines 5 & 6 as follows:                                                                                     
          1004 Unrestricted General Fund Receipts                                                                               
                  $68,929,700[118,929,700]                                                                                      
  ***Total General Funds***      $18,929,700[$118,929,700]                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman OBJECTED for discussion purposes.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Dyson  reiterated  his  previous  argument  that  he                                                                   
approved all  the appropriations  made in the  capital budget                                                                   
but he  did not believe  the included  items belonged  in the                                                                   
supplemental budget.  He commented  that this was  a betrayal                                                                   
of the public process.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Hoffman MAINTAINED his OBJECTION.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
A roll call vote was taken on the motion.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
IN FAVOR: Dyson                                                                                                                 
OPPOSED: Elton, Huggins, Olson, Thomas, Hoffman, Stedman                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
The MOTION FAILED (1-6).                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Karen  Rehfeld, Director,  Office  of Management  and  Budget                                                                   
thanked  the   committee  for  their  consideration   of  the                                                                   
amendments and  looked forward to continuing  to work through                                                                   
the process.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
11:10:46 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Stedman MOVED  to REPORT  SB 256  out of  Committee                                                                   
with individual  recommendations and the  accompanying fiscal                                                                   
note.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dyson OBJECTED.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
A roll call vote was taken on the motion.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
IN FAVOR: Elton, Huggins, Olson, Thomas, Hoffman, Stedman                                                                       
OPPOSED: Dyson                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
The MOTION PASSED (6-1).                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CSSB  256  (FIN)  was REPORTED  out  of  Committee  with  the                                                                   
accompanying fiscal note and individual recommendations.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
AT EASE: 11:11:34 AM                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
RECONVENED: 11:11:47 AM                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 11:11 AM.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                

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